Comments on: OS X… unworthy of respect? http://blog.aragirn.net/2005/10/07/os-x-unworthy-of-respect/ Thu, 04 Dec 2008 02:23:45 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.5 By: Kyle Schneider » What is Open Source? http://blog.aragirn.net/2005/10/07/os-x-unworthy-of-respect/#comment-180 Kyle Schneider » What is Open Source? Mon, 10 Oct 2005 22:40:27 +0000 http://blog.aragirn.net/?p=72#comment-180 [...] Tim seemed to take exception to my statement that the Apple kernel is open source. “So with that Open Sourced Kernel I’ll be able to get all of those nifty new things that Apple added in then right? I’ll believe it when I see it. Being a part of Open Source means giving back to the community, not just taking the ball and running with it.” [...] [...] Tim seemed to take exception to my statement that the Apple kernel is open source. “So with that Open Sourced Kernel I’ll be able to get all of those nifty new things that Apple added in then right? I’ll believe it when I see it. Being a part of Open Source means giving back to the community, not just taking the ball and running with it.” [...]

]]> By: dave http://blog.aragirn.net/2005/10/07/os-x-unworthy-of-respect/#comment-179 dave Mon, 10 Oct 2005 10:50:41 +0000 http://blog.aragirn.net/?p=72#comment-179 The main problem with the original post was the privileging of 'the open source desktop' above all other kinds of open source, because that's what the original poster decided was most important to him. Other people have pointed out that Ubuntu isn't 100% free (flash etc.) but then neither is the software powering most people's phones, music collections, the servers of the web services they use, their cars, PVR's etc. Very few people seem to be willing to make those sacrifices (though good luck to those that do). Saying that you must use an 'open' desktop/laptop, and that it doesn't 'count' if like, for example, the creator of Ruby on Rails you're using a proprietary text editor on a proprietary OS to produce an open source web framework using an open source language (in fact an entire open source ecosystem of tools) and providing an open source alternative for web development that appears to be making headway in the enterprise is just rank hypocrisy. I'm sure anyone here could name a variety of people who work for, or with the tools of, proprietary software companies (Google, say) who have made far greater contributions to Free/Libre/Open Source software. Writing these people off, or worse pissing these people off, can only have negative impacts on the future of FLOSS. The exact phrase for this kind of behaviour is 'acting holier-than-thou' and it's been annoying for a long while, even before it began giving free software zealotry a bad name. So long in fact that people were still using 'thou'. The main problem with the original post was the privileging of ‘the open source desktop’ above all other kinds of open source, because that’s what the original poster decided was most important to him. Other people have pointed out that Ubuntu isn’t 100% free (flash etc.) but then neither is the software powering most people’s phones, music collections, the servers of the web services they use, their cars, PVR’s etc. Very few people seem to be willing to make those sacrifices (though good luck to those that do).

Saying that you must use an ‘open’ desktop/laptop, and that it doesn’t ‘count’ if like, for example, the creator of Ruby on Rails you’re using a proprietary text editor on a proprietary OS to produce an open source web framework using an open source language (in fact an entire open source ecosystem of tools) and providing an open source alternative for web development that appears to be making headway in the enterprise is just rank hypocrisy. I’m sure anyone here could name a variety of people who work for, or with the tools of, proprietary software companies (Google, say) who have made far greater contributions to Free/Libre/Open Source software. Writing these people off, or worse pissing these people off, can only have negative impacts on the future of FLOSS.

The exact phrase for this kind of behaviour is ‘acting holier-than-thou’ and it’s been annoying for a long while, even before it began giving free software zealotry a bad name. So long in fact that people were still using ‘thou’.

]]> By: Big Man in Japan http://blog.aragirn.net/2005/10/07/os-x-unworthy-of-respect/#comment-178 Big Man in Japan Mon, 10 Oct 2005 03:03:45 +0000 http://blog.aragirn.net/?p=72#comment-178 <strong>Get out of Jail Free?</strong> I think Jorge may have been blogging drunk again. Somehow, being an OSX user makes you part of the club. It makes you part of a club alright, it makes you part of the “oh, we all hate Microsoft, so we’re all a big happy family right?&#82... Get out of Jail Free?

I think Jorge may have been blogging drunk again.
Somehow, being an OSX user makes you part of the club. It makes you part of a club alright, it makes you part of the “oh, we all hate Microsoft, so we’re all a big happy family right?&#82…

]]> By: Kyle http://blog.aragirn.net/2005/10/07/os-x-unworthy-of-respect/#comment-177 Kyle Sun, 09 Oct 2005 18:46:24 +0000 http://blog.aragirn.net/?p=72#comment-177 I didn't mean to imply that the rest of the OS was open. My point was that Apple is willing to take a good idea, use it, change it and rerelease it back to the community. I'm sure that if the rest of the OS was open source, Finder wouldn't blow as much ass. But then again, were it open, Apple wouldn't exist as we know it. To be honest, I wasn't trying to compare Linux and OS X, rather I was trying to explain why, in my opinion, OS X users are welcome at geek conferences while Windows users are often ridiculed. I didn’t mean to imply that the rest of the OS was open. My point was that Apple is willing to take a good idea, use it, change it and rerelease it back to the community. I’m sure that if the rest of the OS was open source, Finder wouldn’t blow as much ass. But then again, were it open, Apple wouldn’t exist as we know it.

To be honest, I wasn’t trying to compare Linux and OS X, rather I was trying to explain why, in my opinion, OS X users are welcome at geek conferences while Windows users are often ridiculed.

]]> By: Eric http://blog.aragirn.net/2005/10/07/os-x-unworthy-of-respect/#comment-176 Eric Sun, 09 Oct 2005 14:51:21 +0000 http://blog.aragirn.net/?p=72#comment-176 Okay, not to be a little picky about this, but I feel that comparing OS X to linux is not something that should be lightly done. Yes, the BSD kernel is open source, but, the entire rest of the operating system, which makes OS X, OSX and not purely BSD, is not open source. Apple has the awesome tendency of developing is operating system to be very friend to both inexperience users and highly experienced users. Linux has the other side by being purely open source. Like Kyle, I do use Ubuntu-linux on my desktop and have an Apple laptop, and love it. Yet I have run into more trouble with Ubuntu (including more recently, as in yesterday) which is avoidable, but there's the downside of having no one at linux tech support (without paying for additional services, which I know you have to pay for more from Apple and Micro$haft, but with Apple you do receive a year's services free). This is not to say that one can not get good support for linux, it's just that most of the problems (true problems) I've had are incredulously strange and rarely "old"/solved problems. Okay, not to be a little picky about this, but I feel that comparing OS X to linux is not something that should be lightly done. Yes, the BSD kernel is open source, but, the entire rest of the operating system, which makes OS X, OSX and not purely BSD, is not open source. Apple has the awesome tendency of developing is operating system to be very friend to both inexperience users and highly experienced users. Linux has the other side by being purely open source. Like Kyle, I do use Ubuntu-linux on my desktop and have an Apple laptop, and love it.
Yet I have run into more trouble with Ubuntu (including more recently, as in yesterday) which is avoidable, but there’s the downside of having no one at linux tech support (without paying for additional services, which I know you have to pay for more from Apple and Micro$haft, but with Apple you do receive a year’s services free). This is not to say that one can not get good support for linux, it’s just that most of the problems (true problems) I’ve had are incredulously strange and rarely “old”/solved problems.

]]> By: Megan http://blog.aragirn.net/2005/10/07/os-x-unworthy-of-respect/#comment-175 Megan Sat, 08 Oct 2005 19:07:12 +0000 http://blog.aragirn.net/?p=72#comment-175 awww. You're such a nerd and I love it! awww. You’re such a nerd and I love it!

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